Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Four Argentines can do more than two

Football is not mathematics. Thank goodness it's not!

In this case, it's just the headline I've found to play around a little bit and signify that Inter, with four Argentine players from the start (Walter SAMUEL, Javier ZANETTI, Esteban CAMBIASSO and Diego MILITO), were able to get past Barcelona and their two Albicelestes: Lionel MESSI and Gabriel MILITO.

This match gives us so many things to analyse and talk about. For starters, lets get ready for another attack of the anti-MESSI brigade. They wasted no time. They were even having a go at Lio during the match. Saying he is not effective when he is well-marked and that when things are hot, he goes cold.

I'll be the one cooking the humble pie for them. If not this summer, it'll be eventually in 2014, 2018 or somewhere along the line. Wait...what am I saying? He already showed it time and time again last season scoring in almost everyone of the 5 finals Barcelona played. He is not a player that will shy away from the responsibility. He will ALWAYS keep trying. Things may work out for him or not, but he'll keep trying till the end.

A very heated debate is going on strong. It's the old MENOTTI vs. BILARDO football philosophy argument. All across the media in Argentina, you'll find the 'Líricos' (term used to describe those who like the beautiful football, the passing game, the attacking mentality) and you'll find a lot more 'Resultadistas' (those who only care about the result. Those who enjoy a defensive display more than they enjoy victory by 3 or more goals. Those who could even say that a 0-0 is the best result in football because it means that there were no mistakes made, because they say that goals are only scored when a defender or a goalkeeper makes a mistake in allowing a rival a chance).

Líricos vs. Resultadistas or Menottistas vs. Bilardistas will both go at it disguised as Barcelonistas vs. Interistas.

It goes without saying that I'm more inclined towards the way Barcelona plays. The way that Argentina tends to play a lot more often than not (though sadly it's been a while since we last saw us play or try to play like that). I'm not a fan of MENOTTI, but if I have to choose between those two ideas, then he gets my vote. Though I'm not radical at all.

It's an argument that will never end and those radicals are incredibly quick to slag off MESSI (and amazingly inserted as the top names in the broadcasting companies. I'm talking about Bilardistas here) and all they do is to create this anti-MESSI atmosphere amongst those fans who don't really think or analyse football. No wonder why Estudiantes fans reacted by painting the walls with messages against MESSI after he scored against them in the FIFA Club World Cup final. Estudiantes being the club where BILARDO was brought up as a player and then became a manager too.

I feel sorry for Lionel here. He was just a victim of a cold and cruel logic that do happens more often than not in football: IT IS EASIER TO DESTROY THAN TO CREATE. Period. There is no argument.

Inter, tonight, played without using the ball. I read the statistics after the match and whilst Xavi HERNANDEZ had 108 passes for Barcelona, Diego MILITO, topping the Inter chart for passes completed, had only 10. He was the only one with double-digits in that department.

I think it says it all.

That said, Inter went to the Camp Nou with a game-plan an executed to perfection. You may like it or hate it, but you can't deny they set out to play a game like that. To frustrate Barcelona. To interrupt their flow. To block them in the final third of the field. And that's exactly what they did.

Like Chelsea did last season only to be denied by Andrés INIESTA's game-winning goal at Stamford Bridge (it was a draw, but it was the crucial away goal).

Tonight, Barcelona could have (should have?) gotten to the final had the referee not signalled a ridiculous hand-ball he saw from Yaya TOURE before Bojan KRKIC got the ball inside the area and scored with a great shot towards the first post. But they didn't and Inter got what they set out to acquire at the Camp Nou.

For much as I feel it was another victory for a kind of football I don't like, I can't help but to feel extremely happy for the four Argentines at Inter. Especially for Javier ZANETTI, captain of a thousand battles, and for Diego MILITO, the most underrated striker in the world. If it's true that facts are way above merits in football, then the indisputable fact here is that Inter advanced to the Champions League final because Diego MILITO scored that third goal in the first leg.

Without it, Barcelona would have advanced with the away goal PEDRO scored at the Giuseppe MEAZZA.

I'm sure there are plenty more to talk about after this match and I'm sure you'll be discussing it in our comments' box.

Then why should I keep writing...give us your thoughts.

Oh...and one more thing: SAMUEL was brutally good tonight. What a wall!

52 comments:

johnny said...

Great report Seba ! But "ridiculous" handball !? Really ? Are you thinking it was inadvertent, so not to be called ? Also, Inter didn't have much choice but to lay back after Motta was sent off. Not that they wouldn't have anyway.:)

salvio supporter said...

I don't understand why Milito was in the starting eleven. I mean, I do understand why, but Inter didn't play like they were going to need him, and they couldn't use him either. He wasn't going to take the ball from the midfield, run all alone, and score. After the red card he played as a midfielder, and he even took on a corner kick! He was finally removed for a defender, and considering that Inter didn't play offensively at all, that should have been the case from the very beginning.

Good job from Cambiasso in marking Messi. Both this match and the previous one. I don't like him but I can't critize him on this. Very well for Cuchu.

I saw little good play from Barcelona's side. They didn't look like the Barcelona everybody likes. The same way I felt in the first match against Inter -- I think they lost this semifinal long ago. You may differ with me, but the result is clear.
Good luck for Inter now!

Fadi said...

Execuse me, "ridiculous" handball!!!!
That was surely a handball, no doubt. The goal was clearly offside, and Buskquets also clearly was acting when Motta "put" his hand on his face. Although Barca had the ball possession, they were not so dangerous on the offence and Inter kept them away. Justice won at the end, It's totally unjust they go 2 consecutive times to the CL final by referees mistakes.

totti said...

hey seba

where you got that statistic about passes

could you add link?

Sebastian said...

Johnny and Fadi, the arm was no extended. It was next to his body. The ball may or may not have touched his hand (it appears so, but you could have a case in saying it didn't), but the intention to touch the ball with the hand was not there and the arm, as I said, was not extended. Therefore, the ref should have waved play on.

I'm sorry. It's the way I see it.

And I disagree with you, Fadi. Barcelona may have advanced by ref's mistake last year, but this year?

1. Penalty kick not given for a foul by SNEJDER on Dani ALVES (first leg)

2. Offside gol by MILITO + offside goal by PIQUE and you're equal.

3. Goal not given to Bojan (for that handball incident that should have been a handball).

4. Penalty not given when LUCIO clearly ripped apart Zlatan's shirt in the first half.

5. Dubious sending off of MOTTA, though there was contact between his hand and BUSQUETS' face. I admit, it should have been a yellow at worse.

Mohd said...

Fadi-->

seeting aside the fact that you are Real supporter, try to be objective. The sending off was 1000000000% correct. yes busquets acted, but it was a sure SECOND yellow card at least! you just cannot miss this one!
and for the love of god, barca DID NOT GO INTO LAST YEAR FINAL FOR REF MISTAKES. Chelsea had a penalty, barca had abidal sent off falsly...enough with this!

Sebastian-->
i love Messi, wait, I adore him. but to say that he does not shy away at TIMES is just blinding the truth. I tell you what, do you honestly belive if it was Real playing, then Ronaldo would have gone with 2 shots on goal?
I am not saying Messi was bad because on the toal of 2 matches against Inter he had 4 shots on goal and 1 assist to Bojan which should have been scored. but a player being tipped to be the best ever, this is not enough. he should try more and he did not. once again i stick to my opinion that he is not a leader AT ALL. he is still 23, maybe he will be later but for now he is not and this is a fact.

Finally, i say it again. guardiola is one of the worst tacticians you can ever see. he has no plan B. pushing Maxwell to save the match, substituting a central striker with another, and pushing a 19 year old while Henry unused is just silly.

Congrats to Zanetti, hope he can lift the trophy!

Sebastian said...

Totti, the stats were those printed on the screen on TV right after the match ended.

I could only process that part about XAVI and Diego MILITO because it really shook me. I mean...108 passes for Xavi and only 10 for MILITO (the best for Inter in that category!).

I have no idea where you could find those online. Did you try the match-cast or whatever it's called on the UEFA.com website?

I also read that CAMBIASSO ran something like 10,7 kms (topping the charts for Inter), but I don't remember about the rest.

Speaking of what Salvio_Supporter points out about Diego MILITO playing that many minutes...I can only think of it as a way for MOURINHO to use him as a ball-holder. You know, MILITO is quite good playing with his back towards the opposing goal and holding the ball up. He can pivot and he can also draw a lot of fouls from his rivals.

That said...you gotta provide him with some kind of company.

He was really isolated and at times, it looked like he was playing behind MAICON!!!

What we saw from him and ETO'O was real sacrifice on behalf of the team. No doubt.

Mohd said...

by the way, Bojan goal was also 10000% true. its not about debate, its about football rules.
maybe a better explanation:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2010/04/28/1899626/champions-league-comment-referee-franck-de-bleeckeres

Anonymous said...

Seba, do you think this will help Cambiasso and Pupi get on the national team?

Anonymous said...

i think for those people who loves beautiful football,ton8 is a hard night to tkae bcause beautiful football lost again.

i just want to thank barcelona for consistantly represnting beuatiful footbal at the highest level.

although i am an inter fan since 1996 and i live in milano for three years aswell,i suffered when i saw barca lost in a same time i was extremley happy for inter it was realy strange mix feeling.

my footballing wish 4 2010 was,inter to win the champions lig and most importantly argentina to win the wc.(i realy hope thats gonna hapen).

cambiasso must go to wc,how about if mascherano and veron gets injured or suspened during the wc, we dont have a better proven player in that position,he can be atleast a good substitude.

zaneti must go as well.

milito i have benn a fan ever since he was at zaragoza,i love the way he hold the ball and gets his team mates into the play i love these type of strikers,in my opinion he must start alongside messi he will complement messi much better than any other argentine forwards.(i raed some where that he wont even make it to the sguad which sound disgraceful).

as for samuel i dont need to reveal any thing, he improved alot this season hes slowly slowly getting back to his briliant best.


and for MESSI,this lost ton8 makes him stonger as player,he needs some rest hes been tired,this season barca relied on him so heavily.atlesat we can have him alittle bit fresher,he can focus on the wc,this lost make him hungrier for wining the wc.

Sebastian said...

Thanks for the link, Mohd. That MacDONALD guy sure explains it better than me. It was not a handball to be given.

To the anonymous asking whether these performances from CAMBIASSO and ZANETTI can change Diego's mind and help the players make it to the World Cup. Well...I think ZANETTI gave the perfect answer the day after Inter beat Barcelona last week. He said: "After all these years and all my caps with Argentina, I don't think one or two performances should influence the manager to take me to the World Cup or not".

And I think that's the best answer he could have given. I mean...does he has anything to prove? Is there a doubt he is the best right back born in Argentina and currently playing football? Any doubt that he can be as effective playing on the left or joining the midfield?

I mean...he is better than OTAMENDI, better than ANGELERI, better than HEINZE, better than ANSALDI, better than Emiliano INSUA.

I'd like to think he'll still make it, but if he doesn't, then it'd be beyond my ability to process information.

CAMBIASSO, on the other hand, will suffer from the lack of 'chemistry' between him and Diego. He simply doesn't like Cuchu and I doubt it has to do anything with CAMBIASSO's play. I'd bet any money the reasons are not exactly related to football. Though if Diego calls him up (I seriously doubt it), then it'll mean that he is giving the team the priority ahead of his personal feelings (see why I doubt CAMBIASSO will get called up?).

Mohd, we are going to have to agree to disagree then, regarding MESSI.

You see...I don't think he didn't score or he didn't shine because the occasion was too big for him. How could I think that when I saw him scoring a header against Man Utd in last season's final? How after I watched him scored with his chest on injury time against Estudiantes? How after scoring the opener at the Bernabeu (not to mention his hat-trick against Real Madrid at the Camp Nou some time ago or the 2 he scored again at the Bernabeu in that 'goleada' Barcelona put past Real last season)?

Youth World Cup final? 2 goals.

Olympics? I believe he had the assist for DI MARIA's goal against Nigeria (though I could be wrong) and he scored a terrific goal against Holland.

The reason he couldn't do it tonight (or last week) was because of the very tight system MOURINHO put in front of him.

He almost does it, though, but Julio CESAR (I keep saying he's the best GK in the world) saved a perfect shot in the first half and then Bojan wasted a lovely pass (because that was a pass, not a cross).

With those two things, he would have taken Barcelona to another final. He couldn't, but not because he didn't try or because he hid or something like that.

Not being a leader? Give him time to develop that part of his character too. He's only 22, Mohd. Don't forget.

I don't recall Diego being as inspirational or as strong as a leader at that age (if you want to compare him with MESSI).

Give him time.

And one question.

Don't you think MESSI played similar to what he plays for Argentina tonight or last week?

Doesn't that go AGAINST those who say MESSI only plays for Barcelona (or only makes an effort playing for Barcelona)?

I mean...tonight he was frustrated. He was blocked. He was sometimes left alone. It was 100% the MESSI we see in Argentina every time.

Time for those people to change their angle. MESSI DOES try when he plays for Argentina. Sometimes, perhaps, he tries too hard. And that's a problem.

Mohd said...

Sebastian-->

I agree with you, and i said in my post, that all in all Messi did not have a bad game. but for me he sometimes look not energitic. in terms of body language i can really see more fire in C.Ronaldo's eyes let alone Maradona back in his day.

(by the way, the link was supposed to explain the incident better than me not you :). you did fine job too :))

I just pray day and night, that Maradona will get something figured out on how to use the extra attention Messi will get in the world cup to free up other players.

and regarding Zanetti, i did not know that he said those words! but for me this means giving up on being called to the WC, these are the words of a legendary true worrier who is deep wonded by how being treated. Maybe just Maybe Zanetti lifting the CL trophy would change Maradona's mind...

Raj said...

A really intense match from both teams. The difference was the inability of Guardiola to react to the third goal at Milan. He should have tried to attack Inter in Milan but he didn't.

Mohd

Regarding Guardiola as a coach, he has a long way to go to be called great. But Barcelona made quite a few strategic blunders to the squad by bringing Ibra and Chygrynsky. Ibra will never flourish in the Barcelona system for a simple reason that he is not a team player. Barcelona should have invested in a back up for Dani Alves. I think Guardiola's team selection this year has been too experimentive. Now getting on to the tactical part of this game, it reminded me of the Sweden match in 2002 WC. In these matches I feel the differentiators are:
1. Scoring midfielders: Barcelona has been extremely bad in this area.
2. Exceptional service from wingers or right/left back. Dani Alves and Milito/Maxwell never delivered good Aerial balls. Though credit must be given to Inter defense
3.Try to buy fouls around the box and hopefully convert some free kick
4. Play faster passing game

I think with the game Inter played today Barcelona had very few options that Guardiola could have adopted. He could have certainly encouraged his players to move the ball faster. But that will always bring about a risk of counter attack. I guess he lost it tactically in the match at Milan.

Regarding Messi, I feel he did well under the given circumstances. A far better performance then the one at Milan. There were so many opportunities where his team mates had a chance to find him free at the edge of the box in the first half,mainly Pedro. But instead they chose to send in crosses to the center. Also Ibra had a great chance to release Messi on the right which he missed.

I can see the same happening with Messi when Argentina plays. So much of similarity between Pedro and DiMaria.

For me the best two moments of the match was the save by Ceasar and the great ball from Messi to Bojan.

Anyway being a Barca fan I am disappointed. But being an Argentina fan I will be supporting Inter. Zanetti deserves the cup. I just hope he makes it to the world cup squad. He was missed in 2006. He is one of the best captains a team could have. Just an amazing footballer

Will be sad if Cambiasso or Milito dont make it to the squad. Atleast Maradona finally picked the best Argentine defender Samuel.

In all the sadness of Barcelona loss the ray of light is Messi will be having more time to prepare for the world cup

ARGENTINA 777 said...

HEY GUYS AREN'T U HAPPY THAT MESSI WILL BE JOINING ARGENTINA WC SQUAD WAY BEFORE THEN EXPECTED?? I M DAMM HAPPY BECAUSE OF THIS!!!!!!

Rune said...

I completely agree with what you say, Seba. In all aspects really. Your post is great, you say all the things that I am thinking of. And in the debate about Messi, you are spot on. Mourinho's defence tactics is what, to some extent, shut him out of these two games, nothing else.

But what a fantastic game by Cuchu, Pupi and Samuel.

Mohd said...

Raj-->

what was guardiola thinking bringing in Maxwell?? why not make Bojan plan alongside Ibra since you need goals? granted Ibra will never be a great barca player but he is what you got.

then why bring in the in-experienced Jefren (who one day will be a good player) instead of the experience Henry. again not that i think Henry is great anymore, but again he is what you get. for god's sake inter were playing with 10 players and with no intention at ALL to attack.

to me guardiola (besides the ref mistakes over the two matches), has alone eliminated barca by his lack of tactical ideas.

like you said though, its good Messi will have more time with the national team and i agree about Zanetti. no player deserves this trophy more than him.

GK said...

So how ironic was this second leg for Barcelona? In last years second leg semi-final Abidal was wrongly sent off for Barca (this year was Thiago Motta for Inter) and Chelsea were robbed on a PK for a hand ball in the area (this year Barca were wrongfully whistles play dead for a weak hand ball which resulted in a disallowed goal).

KARMA or what?

Inter deserved the victory. Despite having no Italians in the starting 11 and not having an Italian coach, Inter had that old fashioned Italian definsive mentality (they had to) and perfected it. I get express how happy I am being an Inter fan but also how happy I am for our four Argies on the team, especially Zanetti. I don't think there was any other player in the entire competition that deserves this more than him...

FORZA NERAZZURRI!!!!

Anonymous said...

This should be great testimony that it takes a team to win. And perhaps defense wins championships. It wasn't pretty, but it rendered Barcelona ineffective.

I personally believe the elimination occurred at Inter. Scoring two just to get even is very difficult. For everyone ripping on Pep and saying Messi didn't step up ponder this.

If I stick Mourinho and his Inter team on a bus and send them traveling 23 hours straight and get them on the field how do you think they will do? Probably not as good as today. Bottom line, in football to win you have to be very good, very lucky, and catch a few breaks. Barca didn't have all three this year. Better for us as we get Messi earlier. Also hope Diego notices that 3/4 of our national team defense is playing in the CL (Zanetti, Samuel, Micho).

One last thing, a word of warning. Expect everyone to use Mourinho's tactics to stop Messi in the WC. So this means other team members need to step up and play. This means you Tevez, Veron, Higuain, Jonas, and HEINZE.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that Aguero is playing like crap this year and we really shouldn't be calling this guy up if he isn't in form especially when we have two identical players to him as Tevez and Messi?

Raj said...

Mohd

Guardiola had 4 substitute choices Bojan,Henry, Maxwell and Jefferen. For me he brought in the right substitutes. Henry's performance this season has been below par and he has time and again lost out even on one-on-one situations. With the defence Inter had it wouldn't have made much difference. But the players to be substituted could have been different. I would have removed Kieta instead of Ibra. Both of them played bad. Just that Ibra is a striker and could have been effective in headers more than Kieta.

For me Guardiola lost the plot in Milan by playing Maxwell as a midfielder instead of Toure and in the first place playing Busquets ahead of Toure.

The irony is Barcelona could actually go without a trophy in-spite of the best season from Messi. Goal scoring midfielders is the key for world cup. Aimar,Pastore?? I think if Spain doesnt play Fabergas it might just bring about their downfall. Xavi and Iniesta are great in holding the ball but their finishing this season has been really bad. Expanding beyond your role is the key to succeed in the current world of football. Be it defense or offense

Anonymous said...

that beautiful football talk is garbage, at the wc every team becomes an ultra-Bilardisto!

Argentina should play defensive and destroying football. like 1990. this kills the moral of the opponent.

Vitalij

Batigol9 said...

barca lost the game in Milan with their disastrous defensing...i think this win will put pressure on Maradona to send Zanetti and Milito to South Africa,but it will also convince him that defensive play is the only way to get around in the WC...

Anonymous said...

bojans goal should have stood hand ball my ass

barcalona 244 completed passes inter 24 for gods sake

75% ball possesion for barcalona and they DID SCORE THE TWO GOALS hand ball my ass his hands against his body not interfering with play

interare very very lucky and it was a great save from messis shot right into the courner the better team is clearly out

4 argys better than 2 is meaningless BOLLOX this tie was won by two factual factors
FACT 1 THE 24 HOURS OF COACH TRAVEL

FACT 2 THE REF IN THE SECOND GAME INTER ARE THRU BUT BARSALONA WERE CLKEARLY THE WAY BETTER SIDE

HOW MANY ARGYS IS TOTALLY MEANINGLESS AND ZANETTI CLEARLY DIDNT STOP MESSI FROM GOING THRU ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND HE OFFERED NOTHING IN ATTACK OR MIDFIED THERES NO ARGUMENT FOR ZANETTI OVER ONE OF THE CB's MARADONA IS USING AND CAMBIASSO IS VERY CLUNKYU AND SLOW I MUCH PREFER VERON CAMBIASSO FOR ME IS WAY TO RUSTY AND NOT MOBILE INTER DIDNT DESERVE THIS BUT THATS FOOTBALL I SUPPOSE 4 ARGYS VS 2 YES ID THINK LIKE THAT IF I WAS 5 YEARS OLD IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT AT ALL

THAT COACH TRIP FUCKED EVERYTHING FOR BARALONA

messi needs to play down the middle in a total free roll this winger shit has to end he needs 360 degrees of space and hard working players around him maradona is getting it right the free roll and one 9 is best they need to gel now zanetti has had his 130 odd caps and won nothing its clementies and angeleris time now angeleri is very good as full back sweeper and wingback i think his perfect cover for jonas or to come on behind him late in games for extra width im fed up with zanetti i wud like garay to go i think a fullback cb hybrid roll on the left suits him his great cover for henze

banega or gago as the extra midfield man called up i simply do not want cambiasso there its time to move on

Diario Diego said...

Fantastic comments and great report!

I think that several mistakes are being made int he choice of defenders- Heinze is the first, if you compare his speed and ability to get back with that of Zanetti, Samuel and of course Micho, it is not even close. His age is showing. I understand his lockerroom leadership- but he doesnt get the goal back that he gives up... we saw it over and over again in qualifiers this year and it was terribly painful to see how a split second mistake destroys the game. You back those four up with mascherano and perhap angeleri as maradonna played them in his first match as coach against France and the team was more than solid

Anonymous said...

your directly comparing a wing back to a cb dieago is playing hard nosed back 4 NOT FULL BACKS

HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS FACT HAVE TO BE REGURGITATED

STOP TALKING FB WB WEN ITS NOT THAT SYSTEM ITS LIKE APPLYING BASKETBALL TERMINOLAGY TO FOOTBALL GOD DARN POINTLESS

MARADONA WANTS A BACK 4 THAT PLAYS LIKE A BACK 3

NOT TWO FULL BACKS

Anonymous said...

BARDISSO IS EXALENT AT THE CB LIKE FULL BACK ROLL HE PLAYED IT FOR PECKERMAN IN 2006

HE DIDNT TOUCH THE BALL ONCE IN THE 24 PASS MOVE/GOAL

HE WAS ALWAYS READY TO COVER A COUNTER ATTACK


THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SYSTEM TO STOP A CPOUNTER ATTACKING TEAM FROM BEING COUNTERED THEM SELF'S

Anonymous said...

Aguero is off to Chelsea after the summer.

Sebastian said...

To the ALL CAPS-VERY AGGRESIVE poster. What did I say in my first paragraph? Did I or did I not say it was just a way for me to play around?

I don't know if you have noticed or not, but this is a blog about Argentina and Argentine players. Therefore, they are our main focus, not the 20-hour bus trip. OK?

By the way, using that argument would be just like blaming the 14-16-hour flight ALL of our players have to take before EVERY World Cup Qualifying match, plus the 5-7-hour trip if we were to play in a place like Lima, Bogotá, Maracaibo or Quito, for example.

Then you say something about MESSI having to play through the middle and by saying that you make me wonder: did you watch the match against Inter yesterday?

He kept getting the ball in front of CAMBIASSO, right there in the middle. He wasn't going much on the right. In fact, I only remember one or two occasions in which he did (in the first leg) and was very well stopped by ZANETTI.

I don't care whether ZANETTI's got a million caps and Argentina have won nothing during that time. I simply don't care because I don't think it was his fault. We also won nothing in our last World Cup campaign, when he was snubbed by PEKERMAN.

And I don't care whether Diego wants to bring four hard-nosed defenders that are not FB-WB (no difference here for me in this discussion). All I'm saying is that in a World Cup you've got to bring up players that can cover as many positions they can and you have got to have a plan B. What are you going to do? Bring 6 central-defenders and play them all out of position? Have no alternative when teams are all out in defence a la MOURINHO's Inter in front of you? What are you going to do with four CBs at the back all the time?

You can even present a case for a formation with 3 CBs at the back and then a ZANETTI on the right and/or a ZABALETA on the left. Players that can become your 4th and 5th defenders or your 4th and 5th midfielders as the moments in each match will require.

Think of the options it would give our attacking players and the cover it'd give our defence!

But no...apparently we are going to play with 4 hard-nosed defenders against teams (South Korea and Greece, especially) that will attack us with only 1 striker and will sit back and defend the whole time. Genius!

Sebastian said...

And welcome Diario Diego. You'll find out very soon that you've found yourself a place where there's a lot of people who share your pain regarding HEINZE (maybe even starting with myself!).

Anonymous said...

I DONT US CAPS ASA ARRGRESION ITS JUSAT SO I CAN SEE MY OWN POSTS AND IDENTIFY THEM AND IT GETS ATTENTION IM THE MOST CHILLED OUT GUY YOU CAN MEET

IM JUST STATING THERES MORE TO THE WORLD THAN YOUR OWN OPINION

PEOPLE KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT THE BACK 4

AND THEY KEEP BEING HYPERCRITES ,,THE SAME PEOPLE BIGGING UP PECKERMANS 2006 SIDE WITCH USED 1 WING BACK LET ALONE FULL BACK (SORIN) AND A CB THE OTHER SIDE BARDISSO

ARE NOW SAYING ALLLLLLLLLL BACK 4's REQUIRE 2 FULL BACKS AS IF THERES NO OTHER WAY IN WITCH TO DO IT

NEW SYSTEMS COME AND GO 4-4-2 HAS KINDA TAKEN OVER THERE USED TO BE OTHER SYSTEMS IF A COACH CHANGED FROM THEM PEOPLE FLIPED OUT IM NOT STRANGLING THE GUY I BEIEVE THAT POST IS BY THE GUY WHO OWNS THIS BLOG

ALL RESPECT TO HIM FOR SUCH A GOOD DEED I GLAD HE RUNSD A GREAT LITTLE SITE IN THE SUBJECT IM SUCHG A FAN

ARGENTINA FOOTBALL

IM SAYING TO PEOPLE STOP HAVING A COW OVER THIS ,MARADOINA ISNT STUPID (WELL IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE AND ADICTION ETC YES HE IS) BUT HE AINT DUMB

THERES SOMETHING HERE A LOT OF FOLKS AT BLOGS AND FORUMS HAVE NOTICED

THIS SIDE HAS A OLD SCHOOL SOLIDITY A ITALIAN LIKE SOLIDNESS THAT ALL ARGENTINA SIDES OF OLD HAD

FROM THE EARLY 20TH CENTERY 1900 ONWARDS TO SAY THE 80S

PASERELA HAD IT IN THE 1998 SIDE THAT SIDE WAS DARN GOOD IN FOOTBALL TERMS AND AGGRESSION AND DEFENSE I LOVED TRHAT SIDE WEN BATISTUTA WAS IN IT THE YOUNG CRESPO WAS CRAP

WHAT I SEE IS A VERY SOLID SIDE WITH AMASSING FORWARD LINES AT ITS DISPOSAL

ITS LIKE ITALY AT THE BACK AND BRAZIL (YUK I NEED A BETTER REFERANCE)AT THE FRONT WITH TIME TO BLEND MARADONA BALARDO AND VERON ALL WORKING THERE BRAINS TOGETHER I THINK ITS A SIDE THAT ONCE THE WC KICKS OF IS GOING TO SUPPRISE A LOT AND BIG TEAMS WILL FEAR US

WE COULD HAVE WON THE SPAIN GAME WITH MORE READYING TIME AND A BETTTER SQUAD AND ALL OTHER EURO TEAMS WE POLAY WE BEAT MOST WITHOUT CONSEEDING A GOAL

WITH MORE TIME TOGETHER AND SOME PROPER BACK UP LIKE CLEMETIE,ANGELERI,BANEGA OR GAGO ETC THIS SIDE COULD SHINE


I SAID ON A OTHER BLOG 6 MONTHS BEFORE MARADONA DID IT AGAIN URAGAUY WHY DONT WE PLAY 4 CB's I GOT SLANDERED FOR IT

OH LOOK WHOS LAFFING LAST NOW I HAVE A HABIT OF LAFFING LAST

I WAS GIGGLED AND POINBTED AT FOR PUTTING EVERY P[ENNY I O0WNED INCLUDING MY JUST DIED MOTHERS INHERITANCE INTO NINTENDO SHARES IN 2005 BEFORE wii THEN REVOLUTION HIT RETAIL THE REST IS HISTORY I NOW OWN A BIG HOUSE NO MORGAGE I SEE THINGS IN THE FUTURE AND HIOW THEY WILL UNFOLD

I PUT £20 POUNDS ON BARALONA DOING THE TREBLE LAST YEAR PRESTO I WON

I BET A KID DOWN THE STREET AT THE BEGINGING OF THIS SEASON INTER WOULD MAKE THE CL FINAL OH LOOK THERE IN THE FINAL

THE VIB IM GETTING FROM THIS SOLID 4-4-2 OF DIEAGOS (AND BALARDO AND VERON THERE INVOLVED IN THIS BELIEVE ME)

IS ONE TASTY SIDE THAT MIGHT JUST STEAM ROLLER THE WC AND WIN IT FOR US

MESI IS THE MISSING LINK HE NEEDS TO ADAPT IM NOT BEING BIG HEADED IM JUST POINBTING OUT 4CB'S IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD IT COULD BE THE WINNING CARD

Sebastian said...

Caps guy: Now that was a comment I enjoyed. No cursing. Nothing too aggressive.

Will comment more once I can put my son to bed and have my two hands free!

amaze said...

the problem with maradona's NT is not the formation...even through i don't like the ultra-conservative tactics, if it mean victory for argentina, i will gladly accept it...the real problem comes in selection of players...in order to play counter attacking football, you need players such as maicon or dani alvez on the flanks and we have none other than maybe zanetti... looks as if maradona wants to play like inter but in the second leg, not the first one...and that won't win us any world cup, even with messi...
with 4-4-2, use the following formation and we will be set..

romero
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veron/pastore-masche/cambiasso-di maria
messi
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Had to put jonas and veron there because maradona is in love with those guys...

Diario Diego said...

Let me be a bit more clear in what I meant to say in my original post.

Classically (before the Dutch team of 78 when cruyff insited on wearing 14) the numbered positions to my understanding were as such:

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1: Romero
4: otamendi
2: demichels
6: samuel
3: heinze
8: jonas (gutierez)
5: mascherano
11: messi
10: veron
7: dimaria
9: huigain

It is obvious that the game is now won in the midfield. Wheather you use 4 CB (Inter recently, what it sounds like maradonna will stick with) to push up and win in the midfield or 2 lateral wth 3 defending AM/FB(Italy's last WC) on the wing that can get back it doesnt matter. The point is winning the midfield battle

Question is can we do that with these 11

In the Argentine national team - I see hienze being able to keep that pace up for the first 30-50 minutes and then sinking

My point is and I beleive what Seba has been saying is that we need flank players on the pitch that will not only be able to defend on the extremes of the field but be able to step up and push out

lets hope maradonna finds the key in the next 34 days and 21 hrs...

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