tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post9102424076167094997..comments2024-03-07T23:35:43.352-08:00Comments on Mundo Albiceleste: BILARDO: 'We'd only welcome Jesus and Mary'Royhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06402857142181219977noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-14295813396873087832010-09-03T14:24:30.022-07:002010-09-03T14:24:30.022-07:00restraint descent wanderings
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i did not know your lebanese...keefak :)
I...ZiggY,<br />i did not know your lebanese...keefak :)<br /><br />I agree with most the guys opinion of Bilardo. he is just too old to coach the modern football. when Basile first left, my first choice was Deigo Simione; its true he is also new in coaching but at least he got the results and won with Estudiantes.Mohdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-21789493325645108372009-09-12T12:11:54.679-07:002009-09-12T12:11:54.679-07:00I don't know about calling Bilardo back. Just ...I don't know about calling Bilardo back. Just rubs me the wrong way. But anybody instead of Diego is better. That I can agree on. I would love to see Pekerman back. Some of you do not want him back because of the mistakes he made vs Germany. The players like him, he was well respected and he can do justice for us. But again ANYBODY is better then Diego. But lets not count our eggs before they hatched. This is not good for the AFA either if Argentina miss out. They would lose a ton of money if they miss out. I do not think the Godfather wants that. So I think he knows it has gone much to far and he will do something about it(I hope).<br /><br />As for Tevez. What a megastar he was at Boca and corinthians. 3X footballer of the year in South America. Going to England ruined him. That is it, went to a major club that destroyed his career. Why don't our players understand that you can not go from South American football to the EPL. Unless you are a defender or holding MF you can achieve something. I say Tevez needs to go away from our national team. His replacement who has shown so much more heart in his career and that is El Conejo Saviola. Lets just base this on stats between the 2. Tevez has played for Argentina around 51 times and he has around 8 goals. Saviola has played for us for 44 times and has scored 12 times. 7 less goals but 4 more goals. He is not even a goal scorer, besides that amazing run he had in U-20 WC in Argentina. <br /><br />Jack!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-87954759044192762032009-09-12T11:59:15.047-07:002009-09-12T11:59:15.047-07:00Having Bilardo won't change much. He might hel...Having Bilardo won't change much. He might help out our defence a bit, but in the end it's Diego who picks who plays and who doesn't. So if Diego plays Papa-Otamendi-Dominguez-Zanetti, there's only so much Bilardo will be able to do with that back-line.<br /><br />Msi2 is right, for some reason ever since Tevez moved to England, he's been a shadow of his former self. It's sad really. He never takes free kicks anymore, he can't beat players 1 on 1, he doesn't shoot. He just runs around with his head cut off.<br /><br />And I'm with Seba, the meeting on Monday won't change much(if anything). 2 people will meet(Diego and Grondona), 1 more stubborn than the other and they'll agree to something like Bilardo will be able to attend practices or something(last I checked, Diego doesn't even allow him to attend practices).Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06402857142181219977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-24040604981903112602009-09-12T11:42:38.074-07:002009-09-12T11:42:38.074-07:00How ironic Messi socres with his head today.
http...How ironic Messi socres with his head today.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-sLxGLOtbYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-52426374007861185452009-09-12T10:52:48.692-07:002009-09-12T10:52:48.692-07:00Seba, you'r right about Bilardo... he's cu...Seba, you'r right about Bilardo... he's currently 70 years old and most probably far from being up to date with today's football. Of course this worries me and he isnt my favorite. If its someone better then GREAT! But what i was saying is that we'r just desperate at the moment and any name other than Maradona would do.<br /><br />This is an important issue because IF Maradona is ever replaced, then it is most likely that Bilardo will be the one to take over (it seems). Now you'r pretty convinced that this will not happen, and maybe you'r right... but there is still that small possibility that it could, for the reasons i talked about in an earlier post in this article. As i said, im gambling on the rational and humane factors of this whole charade... and im sure you'r hoping im right and you'r wrong on this :p hehe<br /><br />Anyway, an important question remains to be answered. Since Maradona supposedly works closely with Bilardo... exactly how much is the latter's contribution so far in this whole tragedy? Does Bilardo agree with the controversial call ups Diego has been making? Did they agree on everything together?? Or has it just been a one man show with Diego making all the calls... ? Nobody knows for sure, but chances are Diego has been working on his own. No experienced coach in his right mind would ever make the calls we have seen so far.. no way in hell!<br /><br />So anyway, lets just pray for the hand of God to interfere and save us by removing this clown from our bench... Jesus and Mary will show up, so keep the faith! :)ZiggYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-77854260900857576102009-09-12T10:41:50.470-07:002009-09-12T10:41:50.470-07:00ZiggY> I read your post with attention about ab...ZiggY> I read your post with attention about abnadoning beautiful football, then you take the exemple of Tevez to justify your thoughts. Tevez lost actually all his skills which is why he had became such a mediocre player (certainly nowhere near he was at Boca). Tevez is only running, doesnt know to shoot anymore, doesnt know how to dribble, doesnt how to score, to take free-kick. Tevez was even playing as a playmaker with great passes between lines and so...msi2https://www.blogger.com/profile/17057454383827426395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-77283445116563562612009-09-12T09:38:39.066-07:002009-09-12T09:38:39.066-07:00Ziggy, we think exactly the same way. 100% agree, ...Ziggy, we think exactly the same way. 100% agree, especially the tevez example was great. it looks good, but is useless. and when it looks good and you lose, it also hurts much more than when you play "scrappy" and lose. ok, it is stupid to talk about losing, let's concentrate on winning.<br /><br />i have heard there are two kind of people (philosophies) in argentina: the bilardo-guys and the menotti-guys. i am a 100% bilardo guy. and i believe if a man could make argentina wc, he can at least lead them to the wc now. i don't think football changed much in the last 20 years. <br /><br />also another thing: the 2006 team not only played "nice" football, they were also very efficient. there were teams like ghana who shooted 50 times at the goal, and non went in. argentina shooted 3 times and scored 2. that's how it should be.<br /><br />and they were also strong by set-pieces. and this is the most important thing in competition football today: defense and setpieces. that's how italy won the wc. and argentina's win aginst colombia: after a corner. especially the 1:0 goals are mostly scored by set-pieces in 50-50 games. and one month i read an interview with maradona, and he said he wakes up in the night and thinking about freekick and corner moves. but where is the result? <br /><br />Vitalij from GermanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-43082929958378140782009-09-12T09:04:09.086-07:002009-09-12T09:04:09.086-07:00Interesting debate. We are obviously very fired up...Interesting debate. We are obviously very fired up with the things that are happening to our national team. <br /><br />Regarding BILARDO? <br /><br />I'm not his fan. I've never been. I do give him credit for a lot of good things that happened to our national team (WC title in 1986 -I don't think it was just MARADONA, even though the way he played had a big saying in that triumph-, the WC final in 1990 -although I didn't agree with the player selection and the tactics and I though we played horribly-), but guess what? It's been more than 20 years and BILARDO has failed to keep up with modern football and all the changes. <br /><br />Back then, there weren't many scouting reports and the meticulous methods BILARDO always employed gave him an advantage over the majority of the other coaches. <br /><br />Today? He's got no edge. He's been failing after the 1990 World Cup in every club he managed (Sevilla, Boca Juniors, Estudiantes), just as much as MENOTTI failed after 1978 with every club he worked for. <br /><br />Players were different back then too. They played cards, now they use PlayStation3.<br /><br />BASILE couldn't connect with his players and they laughed at Coco's superstitions. BILARDO is every bit as superstitious (if not more) than BASILE and is older too. No way he'll succeed with a bunch of players that are used to working in very professional environments when they have everything they need for them to develop their maximum potential. <br /><br />And for crying out loud, people, Monday meeting will change NOTHING. <br /><br />They will probably do it so in the outside we think there could be room for changes. <br /><br />The truth is they won't change a thing. They will probably give BILARDO a bigger role -which I doubt in practice MARADONA will allow for it to happen-. <br /><br />GRONDONA doesn't fire coaches but it is not because he doesn't want to pay the contract cancellation, it is because it goes against his believes (again...this is a 77-year-old dinosaur). According to his book, you don't fire people you appointed because you'd be accepting the fact that you got it wrong in the first place. <br /><br />If then the manager fails, it'll be the manager's fault for the outside world. <br /><br />Or do you hear or read many people saying it's GRONDONA's fault rather than MARADONA's?<br /><br />We are heading for disaster and the people that make the decisions are completely unaware of it and they are still think Jesus and the Virgin Mary will help us. <br /><br />They are even comparing this situation with the one we went through in 1985 in the WC Qualifiers. We scored in the last minute and we got to Mexico 1986 through the window and then we won it. <br /><br />MARADONA, BILARDO, GRONDONA and all those brainless people around them see this as a good omen and they strongly believe this situation will end in World Cup victory next year. <br /><br />Jesus? Mary? Please save us, the fans!Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17811923198668714629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-68691539788186434022009-09-12T08:56:53.246-07:002009-09-12T08:56:53.246-07:00Hey Mohd, im Lebanese too buddy :)
Concerning the...Hey Mohd, im Lebanese too buddy :)<br /><br />Concerning the friendly, i made plans to go watch it in the beginning of summer when we were all still happy about Diego being our coach and stuff. But now after all this crap he's making us go through, i honestly dont even wanna see his face. IF by some miracle he's replaced, and the Spain game is still on, then ill probably still go. The Spain game is on November 14th.<br /><br />However im also concerned whether they'll still have the friendly if Argentina end up 5th and have to play against 4th in CONCACAF. Does anyone know when those playoff games will be?ZiggYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-86331217342818825392009-09-12T08:37:03.923-07:002009-09-12T08:37:03.923-07:00To be honest i would cancel that friendly asap.To be honest i would cancel that friendly asap.msi2https://www.blogger.com/profile/17057454383827426395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-48479165360154014402009-09-12T08:26:36.910-07:002009-09-12T08:26:36.910-07:00ZiggY,
the rumor i heard was broadcasted in an ar...ZiggY,<br /><br />the rumor i heard was broadcasted in an arabic sport channel (Aljazeera that is) (i am from Lebanon by the way)...<br /><br />but anyway, i have read nothing yet about this in any international site, so i'd not worry about it just yet.Mohdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-27321315209856730942009-09-12T07:38:47.846-07:002009-09-12T07:38:47.846-07:00I agree with you Vitalij, sometimes we can be fool...I agree with you Vitalij, sometimes we can be fooled by nice attacking football, thinking that the side are very strong just coz of their nice touches..etc. As an Argentine fan, this is something i'v been realising for a long while now. For more than the past decade we have been playing the "nicest" football in the world, going into the '02 and '06 as favorites. Even at '98 we were one of the seeded teams. But look at how things turned out in all of them... we never even reached the semi's in any! <br /><br />However, in those same WC's, we saw not-so-great teams like Brazil win in '02 (although they struggled in the qualifiers at the time). We saw two very boring teams in Italy and France make the final of the '06 WC. So really, it really isnt a matter of beautiful football anymore. When it was us playing the boring defensive football in '90, we made it to the final! I promised myself after crashing out in '06 that i didnt really want to see nice football from argentina anymore. I wanted to see a side more solid at the back with killer counter-attacks and set pieces. We have learned the hard way that this is what it takes to win nowadays. <br /><br />To be frank, i have given up on "beautiful" football. In a previous comment on one of the other articles, i talked about how we must come and re-evaluate some of our players who are turning out to be over-rated... simply coz of this. Just coz someone can play a few back heels and make the crowd cheer doest mean you'r good. Tevez has become an example of this.. we all know his skill, but hey, where is his final contribution? Nothing. Few players can merge style with results nowadays like Messi... but in the end, we need established and efficient players. We need solid tactics and effective strategies... the result is what counts in the end, not your football. <br /><br />Its sad to be talking this way, but that's the mere truth. And Argentina today have neither style nor results.... pity pity.<br /><br /><br />Hey Sports Magician... i listened to the podcast. What you guys said was spot on.. great summary of Argentina's problems, i couldn't agree more!ZiggYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-32566443544138380212009-09-12T07:09:07.973-07:002009-09-12T07:09:07.973-07:00ZiggY, that's exactly what i wrote above (the ...ZiggY, that's exactly what i wrote above (the anonymous guy). bilardo knows how to get where he wants, he knows how to get results. <br /><br />also just because a team plays nice attacking football, it doesn't mean that the team is really good. some people confuse spectacularity with real class. and there are some very strong teams who only play "boring" defensive counter-attacking football and win. i would like if argentina would be such a team. winning is everything. for me a 1:0 after a freekick is the perfect result.<br /><br />and what about pekerman? he can build a strong team once again. he did a mistake in the game against germany 2006, but still he is a very good coach. <br /><br />Vitalij from GermanyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-49369902305469692822009-09-12T07:00:59.752-07:002009-09-12T07:00:59.752-07:00Mohd, where did you hear about Spain canceling the...Mohd, where did you hear about Spain canceling their friendly? I was having plans to go watch the game... can you please provide a link to it? <br /><br />Thanks.ZiggYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-45692416703456306332009-09-12T06:57:52.439-07:002009-09-12T06:57:52.439-07:00Mohd, Bilardo is probably Argentina's most suc...Mohd, Bilardo is probably Argentina's most successful coach in World Cups ever. He won us the '86 WC and took us to the final of the '90. Granted, they havent played the best football under him, especially in '90, but they got results. During his time he solidified Argentina as the biggest football power house of the late 80's and Basile took over from there in the early 90's. <br /><br />Right now, at this stage, i dont care if we play nice or not. We need results, we need to make it to the WC and avoid a heart-breaking tragedy. If you look at the past two world cup winners (Lippi's Italy of '06 and Scolari's Brazil of '02), they werent really top class teams. They just knew how to get results. That's what it takes in world football today. Barcelona did the impossible last season by winning everything with beautiful football, but that's rare. You cannot always merge the two these days. <br /><br />Anyway, Bilardo IS 70 years old and i must admit that worries me.. but right now im willing to accept anything other than Maradona. We'r desperate... full stop.ZiggYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-48597767089651320742009-09-12T06:57:22.094-07:002009-09-12T06:57:22.094-07:00Anonymous,
although i still disagree with you and...Anonymous,<br /><br />although i still disagree with you and still believe that bilardo is not that great...however, a monkey could coach the NT better than Maradona is doing.<br /><br />so if i wake up tomorrow to hear that Bilardo is appointed then I will cry out of joy. just remove maradona, because it cannot get any worse than that.<br /><br />i have been following news all around the world, and what hurts most is that the team has turned into a joke. i have even read a report that Spain is thinking of cancelling the friendly with Argentina because they will not provide the required challenge!!!! this is pure humiliation.Mohdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-28357638432702275052009-09-12T06:33:58.202-07:002009-09-12T06:33:58.202-07:00In addition to everything else, some idiot amateur...In addition to everything else, some idiot amateur AFA official misplaced Jesus Datolo's passport, delaying his exit from Argentina and insuring he won't be available for Napoli this weekend. A collection of inept, amateurish clowns.johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00322074221832626021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-81639974295438843772009-09-12T06:17:44.641-07:002009-09-12T06:17:44.641-07:00ps. I hope it's ok to post that link/audio, ap...ps. I hope it's ok to post that link/audio, apologies if not, just thought some of you might like to hear what was being said.Sports Magicianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12297375047841037472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-77182752608013575342009-09-12T06:17:43.428-07:002009-09-12T06:17:43.428-07:00Mohd i disagree with you.
Bilardo is a brilliant ...Mohd i disagree with you.<br /><br />Bilardo is a brilliant coach, he analyzied the opponent and build the tactic system around the playing-style of the opponent. He was the main reason why Maradona performed so well in 1986. That's a media-created myth that it was Maradona who won singlehandly the wc. Under Menotti Argentina would not won 1986, i don't believe it. <br /><br />You are right that Bilardo is a mafia-guy, but such guys know how to get where they want. Why is he so unpopular? Everything he did he did only for Argentina. He is maybe the best coach Argetina ever had in the WC! Look at the results, this is the only thing that really matters. <br /><br />I hope he will become the coach again right now. Then Argentina would not plug stupid goals after freekicks or counter-attacks anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com