tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post4959595763381459780..comments2024-03-07T23:35:43.352-08:00Comments on Mundo Albiceleste: Argentina v Brazil: The big final. Match coverageRoyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06402857142181219977noreply@blogger.comBlogger164125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-78854148611361890222007-07-15T19:15:00.000-07:002007-07-15T19:15:00.000-07:00Well, I am glad I was not blogging during this dis...Well, I am glad I was not blogging during this disaster. So many things went wrong it makes for a difficult post mortem. The negative factors:<BR/> <BR/>1. Brazil's tactic of fouling in midfield to keep the ball away from Messi and Carlitos worked to perfection.<BR/><BR/>2. Our defense is so vulnerable to quick counterattacks. Exploited tonight.<BR/><BR/>3. Not enough speed from our midfielders or back four to deal with this combination of speed, size and talent from Brazil.<BR/><BR/>4. Mental-the early goal got us thinking bad thoughts and Ayala's own goal confirmed the players worse fears. <BR/><BR/>5. With the heat and humidity it was key to not to get behind early.<BR/><BR/>Impressions-I agree with Seba that Coco should not be fired and I personally hope he stays. It will be time for Coco to start looking very closely at giving some other players more playing time and easing some guys to the bench or out altogether. I would look for Veron to be gone for good. Maybe Pato as well, particularly if he does not cotton to a backup role. Younger players must be given a chance to break into the back four. I am particularly thinking Cata Diaz. Please, more speed and more size. I would look for Gago to get more time. I was hoping Coco would have subbed him today. One of Coco's few mistakes in my opinion. Masche will be there for the long haul. We are set with Messi and Tevez, but a big target is necessary and I think that hurt us tonight. We had a ton of free kicks into the area and nothing to show for it. As for Riquelme-who knows ? He still is loaded with talent and I hope his desire remains intact. He was doubled the entire match tonight. Gago could have helped more there than anybody else that was on the pitch. Well, alot of thoughts, eh? To sum up, Coco gave this Copa his best shot with the old guard and in the end they were found wanting. Between now and the World Cup it will be time to add and subtract and not be concerned about looking like the best team in the world every match.johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00322074221832626021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-2844417832303321092007-07-15T18:43:00.000-07:002007-07-15T18:43:00.000-07:00we've tried enough seba. we tried 40 years. first ...we've tried enough seba. we tried 40 years. first 10 years no success. then we got our 2 trophies. then ppl started going conservative and play balanced football. then we kept failing for almost 15 years...<BR/><BR/>basile's return symbolized our last ditch of will to go with the tradition. And it failed again.<BR/><BR/>there's no more tries. the nation is tired of it. we want to see changes now.Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512604882510689737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-56197069223571109712007-07-15T18:21:00.000-07:002007-07-15T18:21:00.000-07:00no target man... no big striker... many air ball f...no target man... no big striker... many air ball for two short striker... what's that damn... basile should use Milito and Gago... damn... fuckin game i ever seen... damn... i hate brazilians... i hate baptista... damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-50216126629349337012007-07-15T17:42:00.000-07:002007-07-15T17:42:00.000-07:00BASILE won't be fired. Shouldn't be fired. As for ...BASILE won't be fired. <BR/><BR/>Shouldn't be fired. <BR/><BR/>As for the fans supporting the team, I think the clear example is that the Copa America matches marked the highest numbers of audience in the history of Argentine television. <BR/><BR/>The people is right behind the team because they love to see how the play. <BR/><BR/>I don't think it is impossible to play attractive football and win matches and trophies. It is difficult, but it is not impossible. And we should try and do that.Sebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09584249588879160704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-9376205275885393322007-07-15T16:58:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:58:00.000-07:00close save for us.close save for us.Saurabh Bhattacharjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09630624593107341561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-46904939619825940582007-07-15T16:54:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:54:00.000-07:00ppl are singing ole ole olappl are singing ole ole olaRiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512604882510689737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-47355934018123360972007-07-15T16:50:00.001-07:002007-07-15T16:50:00.001-07:00great start to the U-20 game and two good saves fr...great start to the U-20 game and two good saves from Mexican goalkeeperSaurabh Bhattacharjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09630624593107341561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-12015558527555568492007-07-15T16:50:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:50:00.000-07:00Just wondering, where was Diego? I only saw him in...Just wondering, where was Diego? I only saw him in the first game and that was all? Maybe he should of gone in and gave a power speach.<BR/><BR/>,JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-37575081292356682952007-07-15T16:49:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:49:00.000-07:00Rio you really think Basile will be fired? Lets sa...Rio you really think Basile will be fired? Lets say he does, who do you think about geting Bielsa back? Or go after Bianchi that argentina has tried a few times. Yea two loses to Brasil and they equal up to 6-0 is not good for Basile. I like him, I think him and Messi have a good bond. <BR/><BR/>Jack!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-21687003043497254572007-07-15T16:47:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:47:00.000-07:00http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun15.7/Argentina...http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun15.7/Argentina_Mexico.html<BR/><BR/>U20 startedRiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512604882510689737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-16480885484641697802007-07-15T16:44:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:44:00.000-07:00thank you jack!thank you jack!Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512604882510689737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-26881816491090809592007-07-15T16:43:00.001-07:002007-07-15T16:43:00.001-07:00seba.regard your last sentence.the point of having...seba.<BR/><BR/>regard your last sentence.<BR/><BR/>the point of having a star splashing team like this NT is so when you face a tough opponent, you can stand up to them and chance for victory.<BR/><BR/>that we failed to do today. <BR/>and that's the biggest failure of this entire copa campaign. <BR/><BR/>Basile will be fired, the pending AFA presidency revamp will take place. I just hope when the day comes we play more conservatively, our fans will still stand behind us. <BR/><BR/>Just remember, we tried for 20 years, and we failed.Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512604882510689737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-39486124242163115742007-07-15T16:43:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:43:00.000-07:00Argentina did not play the beautiful game in 1990 ...Argentina did not play the beautiful game in 1990 and almost won it. Sometimes ugly football wins you titles. Hell look@ the Greeks on 2004, hell of a story but come on.<BR/><BR/>,JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-38748854625325272232007-07-15T16:41:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:41:00.000-07:00Man wht i meant was that it has lost its prestige....Man wht i meant was that it has lost its prestige. The world cup qualifers take a firm front seat in comparison to the copa. Argentina didnt even send a proper side to the 2001 edition. While in the 2004 Brazil sent a second string side. BIG GUYS I meant BIG physically - compare their players physicality with Argentines. When was the last time a Romario sized forward donned the Selecao shirt ??Ans the last one was Romario!!!Govind Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15306313327317572834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-75328546359090233142007-07-15T16:39:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:39:00.000-07:00And let me add Brazil didn't play beautiful footba...And let me add Brazil didn't play beautiful football even in 1994 when they won the World Cup.Sebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09584249588879160704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-18800642984497295212007-07-15T16:38:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:38:00.000-07:00Soccer Mania...I disagree in almost everything you...Soccer Mania...I disagree in almost everything you're saying (don't take it personally. I'm furious, but not at you!). <BR/><BR/>You said: <BR/><BR/>1. Copa America is no big event. Nothing to take away from Brazil but Copa is a firm secondary to WC Qualifiers. This is a precursor to the WC qualifiers. This should serve as a good lesson. In fact, Argentina had no answer when Germany played physically<BR/><BR/>2. This is the first time in the tournament Argentina are facing BIG guys. Obviously, they couldnt find their rhythm in the game and Brazil hit on the counter and scored. Credit to Brazil.<BR/><BR/>3. I still feel Basile should stick on with the current team and try to find a way to deal with these physical sides.<BR/><BR/>I say: <BR/><BR/>1. Copa America IS a big tournament. Will always be. Is the continental trophy of the region in which we play. We took it seriously. <BR/>Brazil had the perfect excuse to lose it even from the start of the tournament. Unexperienced manager, no Kaká, Ronaldinho, Lucio, Ronaldo, etc., Argentina with the best players available...<BR/><BR/>2. I don't think you can call Brazil BIG GUYS. For the reasons stated before. <BR/><BR/>3. I agree we have problems against physical sides, but I don't think that alone was the problem today. Everything clicked for them and sometimes you can't beat a team that has everything going for them...Sebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09584249588879160704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-25689267236546146972007-07-15T16:33:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:33:00.000-07:00here's a recent examplethey started out 4-3-1-2 al...here's a recent example<BR/><BR/>they started out 4-3-1-2 also. but when playing poland, a physical team that focuses on tight midfield and counter attack (just like brazil in a way), the U-20 team was willing to drop into 4-2-3-1, and they won with ease...<BR/><BR/>DT always play strategies to suit their players. But for argentine NT it's the other way around. We play players to suit our strategy. <BR/><BR/>That's why we sucked. we been doing it all wrong all along. I hated negative football since I was kid, but I just cannot understand why dropping into defense when necessary is simply ignored by the NT. And we've paid dearly on this stubbornness. how much more do we have to suffer to take this matter seriously?Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512604882510689737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-6146549691384822722007-07-15T16:31:00.001-07:002007-07-15T16:31:00.001-07:00Rio just feel sorry to disagree with you. In the y...Rio just feel sorry to disagree with you. In the youth, the physical aspect of the game is not really stark in contrast while in the senior side there is clear difference. I think that is a crucial difference.<BR/><BR/>Anyway cheer up guys remeber the Messi goal scored in the semis and the brilliant pass by Roman to set up Messi. And how abt that Roman header. Man, they have atleast entertained while I cannot tell about the same with Brazil.Govind Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15306313327317572834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-17581255394480696332007-07-15T16:31:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:31:00.000-07:00I will agree with you Soccer Mania. It was not a c...I will agree with you Soccer Mania. It was not a compasrison. Just to mention yet another (arguably the strongest in World of Sports)example of choking in a final.Saurabh Bhattacharjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09630624593107341561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-46239625859855276592007-07-15T16:30:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:30:00.000-07:00Rio: interesting point about the youth teams. For...Rio: interesting point about the youth teams. For example, if you look at the '05 WYC squad, they didn't necessarily play good football (a lot of rough defence and counter attack), but they won the trophy.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09807392842004716065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-37707702938773462642007-07-15T16:29:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:29:00.000-07:00to think of it many would agree that Liverpool we...to think of it many would agree that Liverpool were the better team on the night of the Champions League final but the fact remains that Milan went on to win 2-1. Yes it hurts to loose when you dominate the run of play/ play more attractive football but personally i feel that at the end of the day all that matters is results.<BR/>After that 6-0 drubbing of Serbia and Montenegro we all would agree that Argentina were the most attractive team to watch but the end result was that we were defeated in the quarters by the hosts.<BR/>If Brazil would have lost this final every one would have been after Dunga's case in brazil esp. also due to the fact that they lost to mexico in the opening game. But now since they have won, in spite of the fact that their football was rough and no where close to eye pleasing, no one in Brazil would care.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14642467337738619711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-48509187105220737262007-07-15T16:28:00.001-07:002007-07-15T16:28:00.001-07:00Why are we talking about cricket? Just wondering?,...Why are we talking about cricket? Just wondering?<BR/><BR/>,JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-19754879366622660852007-07-15T16:28:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:28:00.000-07:00higuain isn't our only hopehave you guys ever thou...higuain isn't our only hope<BR/><BR/>have you guys ever thought why our youth teams can win but at senior level we couldn't do it?<BR/><BR/>I think it's because our youth teams are more flexible and adaptable to changes. Senior side had been way too stubborn to use this 4-3-1-2 that might look good but dangerous in the back. <BR/><BR/>It's not just a formation thing, it's a mentality. That needs to change, everything need to change, or we'll never win!Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16512604882510689737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-19701772799895058742007-07-15T16:26:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:26:00.000-07:00Some people are comparing the Indian cricket team ...Some people are comparing the Indian cricket team to the Argentine team. Please, for heaven sake dont insult the Albiceleste. They atleast have talent- proof of it is that they have won 4 out of the last 6 WYC while the BCCI XI finds it tough to get 15 good players.Govind Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15306313327317572834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29878545.post-13167322739373481712007-07-15T16:25:00.000-07:002007-07-15T16:25:00.000-07:00Linda- I am very upset@Higuain, he has absolutely ...Linda- I am very upset@Higuain, he has absolutely no nationalism. One he took a long time to decide to either play for Argentina or France. He has turned down many call up's from the U-20 teams, and also turned down to play in U-20 WC, I see it as envy of Gago, that Gago got called up for the natl team and he did not. He has to start scoring a lot of goals before I start saying that I am a fan of his. Forget about Palacio, I am a Boca man but no need for Palacio. Now my concern is what is going to happen to Riquelme? Is he going to retire or will be back, just a FYI he will be 31 for the next WC. Now are we still going to play Messi, Tevez together? It might work on small teams like Mexico and etc, but what if Argentina faces a dutch team or a team or the germans again? Who is going to the creative play maker, that magic and the flair? Is Messi up for that role? A lot of questions for us to find out.<BR/>,jackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com